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IdealRatio Rodnik 3 Portable Radiation Detector (Read 281 times)
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IdealRatio Rodnik 3 Portable Radiation Detector
Jun 20th, 2019, 6:33pm
 
This thread is for the discussion of the review “IdealRatio” “Rodnik 3” Portable Radiation Detector.
 
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Re: IdealRatio Rodnik 3 Portable Radiation Detecto
Reply #1 - Jun 20th, 2019, 7:06pm
 
Obviously, a Geiger Counter such as the IdealRatio Rodnik 3 doesn't really prove it's worth until it finds something radioactive, so some reviewers of these devices (not just myself) will ask the rhetorical question "Have I found anything radioactive?"
 
Well... I recently went on vacation, and took my Rodnik 3 with me.  It was great that it was so portable.  And yes, I did find quite a few radioactive things -- some of them were impressively radioactive.
 
Or vacation was a long road trip, with several stops along a significant portion of the Eastern Seaboard of the United States.
 
The first stop was the Daytona Flea Market in Florida. https://daytonafleamarket.com/ .  Antique hunters will want to proceed all the way to the back (north end) of the market.  There is a vendor there that sells antique glassware.  He already knows me and my DRSB-88 radiation detector.  The "Radioactive Green Cat" mentioned in the review was purchased from his antiques tent, and yes, he still has numerous Vaseline glass pieces that the Rodnik 3 responded to. I asked him about Fiestaware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiesta_(dinnerware)#Radioactive_glazes , and he lead me to a complete place setting of red authentic antique Fiestaware.  It was mildly radioactive, but not really that impressive. We began talking about other items that may have a radioactive glazing.  He mentioned that he thought some yellow glazings were also radioactive.  We tested several pieces, but nothing seemed to get the Rodnik 3 excited.  Then, totally at random, I held the Rodnik 3 near a rather ugly clay pitcher with a beige glazing, and glazing on the front in other colors depicting fruit, including intense (for the age) purple grapes.  The Rodnik 3 began counting events in a continuous stream, and soon went to alarm mode.  I am not sure if the pitcher itself was made of a radioactive clay, or if it was the glazings.
 
The pitcher was large, ugly, and while the seller was willing to negotiate, it just was not something that I actually wanted to take with me on the rest of the trip.
 
The next real destination for our trip was Washington, DC -- more specifically, the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History.  This museum (the most visited museum in the world) has an extensive section about minerals and gems, including a display dedicated to radioactive minerals.  When I saw what the display was about, I of course thought of the Rodnik 3 in my pocket.  As soon as I thought of it, I realized it was already in alarm mode in my pocket.
 

The Rodnik 3 responding the a display of Radioactive minerals at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, Washington, DC, USA.
 
This showed 2 things -- First, it was the first (and only) time it actually warned me of radiation exposure, as opposed to me actively testing an object.  Second, I did not hear it alarming until I thought of it. As I mentioned in the review, it was not loud enough to get my attention over the background noise of the crowded museum.  (More about the Smithsonian display in a later post. See Below.)
 
The return trip provided another opportunity for the Rodnik 3. By sheer chance, we happened upon the Black Rose Antiques and Collectibles Mall in Phillipsburg, New Jersey. https://www.blackroseantiques.com/ .  Several of the booths had items that really got the attention of the Rodnik 3.  There were several antique clocks with Radium dials, and the usual assortment of Fiestaware and Vaseline glass.  But in 2 separate booths, there were identical red-orange pitchers that immediately put the Rodnik 3 in alarm mode, even from several feet away.  Neither of these pitchers had any markings, so they were apparently not actual Fiestaware, but they must have had significant Uranium in the red-orange glazing.
 
There was also another small vase that caused the Rodnik 3 to immediately go into a constant stream of counts, and almost immediately alarm.  This piece was particularly interesting because nothing about it's appearance gave a clue to it's radioactivity.  It did not have a shiny glazing at all, and it was not red, orange, or yellow.  If anyone ever buys it, they may never be aware of it's radioactivity.
 
The Black Rose Antiques and Collectibles Mall was a really cool stop, and the Rodnik 3 added a whole new dimension to browsing the dozens of overstocked vendor booths.
 
Note: Pictures of the radioactive antiques I did not buy are not included, since many antique vendors do not like people taking pictures of their offerings.
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Re: IdealRatio Rodnik 3 Portable Radiation Detecto
Reply #2 - Jun 20th, 2019, 9:05pm
 
Is the display of Radioactive Minerals at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History dangerous to the public?
 
In the post above, I mention that the display of Radioactive Minerals at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History in Washington, DC. immediately made my Rodnik 3 radiation "Dosimeter" alarm in my pocket just from walking in front of the glass.
 
In the photo below, It is reading 7.53µSv/h.  Holding it there a bit longer may have had it reach 10µSv/h.
 

The Rodnik 3 responding the a display of Radioactive minerals at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, Washington, DC, USA. Photo copyright 2019
 
Is this dangerous to the public walking by it, or casually reading about the displayed minerals?
 
Well, first of all, to be clear this is really measuring ionizing radiation penetrating the glass.  Yeah -- ionizing radiation.  Not the stuff from your mobile phone or microwave oven.  That's RF radiation, and the Rodnik 3 does not measure that.  We are talking about ionizing radiation -- The real Chernobyl or Fukushima stuff.
 
More than that, normal background radiation is generally about 0.10µSv/h (rounded for easy math), so it is at least 100 times the normal background radiation where most people live.
 
That sounds dangerous... but is it really dangerous for someone browsing this particular display?
 
Well, let's put it in perspective.  Using the radiation dosage chart (Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sievert ) We can compare it to some other things people commonly do.
 

 
Note the first, single green dot in the second section -- Chest X-ray -- 20µSv.  So studying the display for two full hours would be equivalent to a single chest X-ray.  However, I don't think people typically spend two hours studying that display.  In most cases people only spent a minute or two perusing any of the displays.
 
Using the same chart, we can look at it another way.  Look at Mammogram -- 400µSv.  If you stood in front of the display for an entire work week (5 days x 8 hours a day), and then left to get a mammogram, you would get an equal dose from the mammogram, as from the display at the Smithsonian.
 
So... Enjoy the display of Radioactive minerals at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History.  Read it, study it leisurely. Unless you spend all day, every day, with your -- um -- "mammogram parts" -- pressed up against the glass, it's really pretty safe.
 
I should also mention that the Rodnik 3 detected radiation from a few other individual mineral samples in other displays that contained heavier elements, as one would expect.  None of these produced nearly as high a reading on the Rodnik 3 as the Radioactive minerals display.
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Re: IdealRatio Rodnik 3 Portable Radiation Detecto
Reply #3 - Jun 24th, 2019, 8:25pm
 
Another note on displays pertaining to Radiation at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History.
 
In another room, there is a different display on radiation.  This display contains an analog radiation meter (Geiger counter) and a chunk of radioactive ore attached to a rotating disk.  The intent is to show that the Geiger counter registers as the ore passes near the Geiger probe.
 
This is not the display I am referring to in the above posts.  While the radiation in front of the display with the rotating ore was detectable as I stood in front of this display, it was no where near the levels near the display of radioactive minerals in the minerals and gems area.
 
 
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Re: IdealRatio Rodnik 3 Portable Radiation Detecto
Reply #4 - Aug 13th, 2019, 8:27pm
 
... But does it work on a Plane?
 
Sorry if you were expecting some sort of clever rhyme there.
 
As readers interested in ionizing radiation, and devices for measuring radiation probably already know, our atmosphere shields us from lots of space radiation (cosmic rays).  A commercial airline flight, flying at about 40,000 feet  (12,000 meters) is above the majority of this shielding atmosphere.  Yes, planes are generally made of metal, but a very thin aluminium skin is not going to make up for 10's of thousands of feet of atmosphere.  As a result, all passengers on commercial flights are subject to a significant dose of radiation every time they fly.  And, Yes, it's worse for frequent flyers, those on long-haul (international) flights, and of course, pilots and flight attendants.
 
So can the Rodnik 3 show us the dose a passenger receives? Is it legal to take on a plane?
 
I recently went on a business trip, and I took my Rodnik 3 with me.  I tossed it in my backpack with other typical electronic gadgets, such as 2 laptops, associated cables, mice, chargers, etc.  It passed through security with no attention from those very friendly folks with the latex gloves.  Carrying radioactive materials on a commercial flight is illegal, but the Rodnik 3, and similar devices detect radiation.  They are not, themselves, radioactive, and taking one on a plane is no different than taking other consumer electronics.
 
Here's a screen shot from after the plane reached the top of climb:
 

Rodnik 3 Ionizing Radiation Meter showing typical radiation levels on a commercial airline flight at 39,000 feet.  Image adjusted for display contrast only.
 
A few observations:
  • The contrast of the display was edited due to the strong sunlight only.  As I have mentioned before, the display of the Rodnik 3 is actually very crisp and easy to read.
  • This was an east-bound flight, so we must have been at an odd multiple of thousands of feet -- I'm assuming 39,000 feet in this case.
  • While the shot did not catch the LED on, it is flashing as indicated by the 'A' for alarm.
  • There is actually an advantage to the audible alarm being so quiet.  With the noise of the aircraft, other passengers won't notice the alarm. Note that I am covering the holes over the buzzer just to be sure.

 
The display is indicating 3.41 µSv/h.  Again, using my round number of 0.10  µSv/h for normal sea-level background levels, I am receiving 34.1 times the normal radiation level.
 
This coincides very closely to what is listed on Spaceweather.com for an "average" flight (scroll to "Cosmic Rays in the Atmosphere"):
http://spaceweather.com/
 
Descending back into the thick air of a Florida summer, the counts went down quickly.  By the time the fight attendants announced we were descending through 10,000 feet, the Rodnik 3 only indicated about 2 -3 times normal background, although by looking at the developing cumulus clouds at that same time, I estimate we were more likely between 8,000 and 5,000 feet when that announcement was made.
 
This exercise also points out one of the biggest deficiencies of the Rodnik 3.  As mentioned in the review, it does not measure accumulated dose. A meter like the Ecotest MKS-05 "Terra-P" (Reviewed Here: http://linuxslate.com/Review_Terra-P.html ) has an accumulated dose feature that could be reset before a flight, and measure the total accumulated dose for a specific flight. In this mode, it could even continue to record accumulated dose while placed in checked luggage.
 
  
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