Re: I'm building Tube Amps, and I Can't Stop!
Posted: 17 Jan 2024 22:16
Originally Posted: Sat Oct 15 2022 15:46:48 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Here's a Minor Update, Cross Posted from AudioKarma.org, with edits.
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Engineering is always a compromise.
I don't like compromise.
...So I compromised.
Many articles debate the value for the Grid Bias Resistors for 7591 based amplifiers -- Particularly Fishers, but this applies to other grid biased 7591 amps, too. Many of these articles suggest installing 220K, or even 200K, with the lower values helping to prevent bias run away. So I had previously installed 200K Grid resistors.
However, I felt that the Amp (only a single channel at this time), was not putting out the power that P-P 7591's should produce -- probably because the Phase Inverter was being loaded down by the 200K Grid Bias Resistors.
I didn't think that the change from 200K to 220K would make a lot of difference on the load on the PI; But going to 270K worried me, especially with my experience with (used) 7591 family tubes.
240K is also a value for Metal Film Resistors, and an assortment pack I bought from MPJA contained this value -- Yes, that's an unsolicited plug. 2W is overkill for a grid resistor, but 2W resistors in the values included in that assortment have lots of applications in Tube Amps.
So based on totally empirical "guess the number", I installed the 240K resistors.
The amp is definitely making more horsepower with theses resistors installed. For all you Fisher owners, and other Owners of 7591 based amps that may be worried about run-away tubes, but don't want to hurt your sound, 240K may be the value for you.
I also changed the diodes on the Bias Board to High Speed Glass Diodes that are more appropriate for the High Speed Switching PS that is providing the 18VAC for the (-) bias.
Here's a Minor Update, Cross Posted from AudioKarma.org, with edits.
----
Engineering is always a compromise.
I don't like compromise.
...So I compromised.
Many articles debate the value for the Grid Bias Resistors for 7591 based amplifiers -- Particularly Fishers, but this applies to other grid biased 7591 amps, too. Many of these articles suggest installing 220K, or even 200K, with the lower values helping to prevent bias run away. So I had previously installed 200K Grid resistors.
However, I felt that the Amp (only a single channel at this time), was not putting out the power that P-P 7591's should produce -- probably because the Phase Inverter was being loaded down by the 200K Grid Bias Resistors.
I didn't think that the change from 200K to 220K would make a lot of difference on the load on the PI; But going to 270K worried me, especially with my experience with (used) 7591 family tubes.
240K is also a value for Metal Film Resistors, and an assortment pack I bought from MPJA contained this value -- Yes, that's an unsolicited plug. 2W is overkill for a grid resistor, but 2W resistors in the values included in that assortment have lots of applications in Tube Amps.
So based on totally empirical "guess the number", I installed the 240K resistors.
The amp is definitely making more horsepower with theses resistors installed. For all you Fisher owners, and other Owners of 7591 based amps that may be worried about run-away tubes, but don't want to hurt your sound, 240K may be the value for you.
I also changed the diodes on the Bias Board to High Speed Glass Diodes that are more appropriate for the High Speed Switching PS that is providing the 18VAC for the (-) bias.





